[cryptography] current limits of proving MITM (Re: Gmail and SSL)

Ben Laurie ben at links.org
Sun Dec 16 12:07:50 EST 2012

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 9:48 AM, ianG <iang at iang.org> wrote:
> Just to nitpick on this point, a CA certainly can claim that they or an
> agent did not sign a certificate.  And, they can provide the evidence, and
> should have the ability to do this:  CAs internally have logs as to what
> they did or did not sign, and this is part of their internal process.
> This is because the real world doesn't trust the cryptographic evidence on
> the face of it, we always need to go back to an independent verification of
> some form - a further point against Ben's proposal.

You have not substantiated any points, and this is further nonsense:
if a CA claims they did not sign something which has been signed with
their key, then they are claiming they cannot manage their key. They
are still not acting correctly, either way.

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