[cryptography] Microsoft Sub-CA used in malware signing
ralf at coderpunks.org
Mon Jun 11 18:59:02 EDT 2012
On 6/11/12 6:38 PM, Ondrej Mikle wrote:
> On 06/11/2012 11:06 AM, Ben Laurie wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Nico Williams <nico at cryptonector.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Florian Weimer <fw at deneb.enyo.de> wrote:
>>>> * Marsh Ray:
>>>>> Marc Stevens and B.M.M. de Weger (of
>>>>> http://www.win.tue.nl/hashclash/rogue-ca/) have been looking at the
>>>>> collision in the evil CN=MS cert. I'm sure they'll have a full report
>>>>> at some point. Until then, they have said this:
>>>>>> [We] have confirmed that flame uses a yet unknown md5 chosen-prefix
>>>>>> collision attack.
>>>> Does this mean they've seen the original certificate in addition to
>>>> the evil twin?
>>> The evil twin has the nasty bits[*] in the issuerUniqueID field, which
>>> is weird, and the ID is not one likely to be generated by any CA.
>>> Would the original have it?? I don't see why the TS CA would have
>>> issued certs with issuerUniqueIDs under any circumstances, which is
>>> why it's interesting the the evil twin had any evil bits.
>> Surely the whole point is that the collision is used to switch
>> <something> to issuerUniqueID in order to hide the stuff that would've
>> stopped the cert from working. I haven't looked, but I'm prepared to
>> bet it would not be hard to figure out what the original cert must
>> have looked like.
Very interesting. So if this is the case, it's not a chosen-prefix
collision attack but a mere collision attack with the "right"
differential to hide the extension.
In fact, I had written a paper about almost the same trick - I called it
"extension hopping" - which was submitted to USENIX Security 2008 and
rejected - yes, I know, I should've put my money where my mouth was and
come up with a suitable differential as well. But in the end I was
distracted by different subjects and Marc Stevens et al. wiped the floor
with MD5 using their chosen-prefix attack.
There is some public documentation on this from the Echternach Symmetric
Cryptography Seminar in January 2008 where I gave an outline of the idea
in a brief talk:
Thank you, dear flame authors, for providing an implementation for my
idea! Now, how should I cite you?
The more interesting question here however is: Why did they choose this
approach? I posit it might be significantly cheaper computationally than
a chosen-prefix attack since you don't need the expensive birthdaying
step at the beginning.
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