[cryptography] cryptography: 576-bit ECC ....novel uses of key....Asymmetric....Symmetric group key....
joseph.g.tag at gmail.com
Sun Nov 4 12:46:24 EST 2012
Hello. I am still interested in the concept of using 576 bit keys;
composed of 9 parts of 64-bit keys, and applied and mixed by SHA-256
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:03:56 +1300
From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001 at cs.auckland.ac.nz>
To: cryptography at randombit.net, jon at callas.org
Subject: Re: [cryptography] Why using asymmetric crypto like symmetric
crypto isn't secure
Message-ID: <E1TUpZ6-0002cU-60 at login01.fos.auckland.ac.nz>
Jon Callas <jon at callas.org> writes:
>Which immediately prompts the question of "what if it's long or secret?" 
>This attack doesn't work on that.
The "asymmetric-as-symmetric" was proposed about a decade ago as a means of
protecting against new factorisation attacks, and was deployed as a commercial
product. I don't recall them keeping the exponent secret because there wasn't
any need to... until now that is. So I think Taral's comment about not using
crypto in novel ways is quite apropos here, the asymm-as-sym concept only
protected you against the emergence of novel factorisation attacks (or the use
of standard factorisation attacks on too-short keys) as long as no-one
bothered trying to attack the public-key-hiding itself.
>If you believe that the only attack against RSA is factoring the modulus,
>then you can be seduced into thinking that hiding the modulus makes the
>attacker's job harder.
Yup, and that was the flaw in the reasoning behind the keep-the-public-key-
secret system. So this a nice textbook illustration of why not to use crypto
in novel ways based purely on intuition.
 Not my footnote.
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