[cryptography] Can we move to a forum, please?

Eric Mill eric at konklone.com
Thu Dec 26 00:59:10 EST 2013

I feel like people ended up talking past each other here.

Google Groups, as a product, clearly found success from merging a web forum
and an email list together. People use them both ways. I use plenty of
Google Groups in email-only. It's sometimes nice to have a forum

I don't think it's controversial to suggest that mailman's web presentation
is a terrible, outdated thing. But obviously, this list would never want to
be part of a Google product (or anyone's product). We want to host our own.

I also don't think it's controversial to suggest that most forum software
is just as terrible and outdated.

I've been distantly watching http://www.discourse.org and I like their
vision. I believe they allow, or want to allow, email-only interaction. I
don't know if it does, and I don't know if Discourse is easy to set up, or
appropriate for the task.

I do know that when people prioritize usability and accessibility over
questions of centralization, I have no choice but to recommend they use
Google Groups. It's crazy that I don't have a better alternative for this.
librelist <http://librelist.com/> held promise, but stalled years ago.

I want there to be an obvious and acceptable alternative that addresses
some of Greg's basic points, because it should be okay to point out that
email has disadvantages. Right now, I don't think there is one. This is a
real gap I'd like to see the open source community fill.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:26 AM, John Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:

> >Stick with the mailing list.  If we are going to move anywhere, it
> >should be toward something like a moderated Usenet newsgroup (if not
> >actually moving to Usenet).
> Agreed.
> By the way, I gateway this list to a local newsgroup on my usenet
> server and read it there.  Moving to usenet wouldn't be hard, give or
> take the hardness of people spinning up usenet clients.
> >> Also, do you enjoy not being able to edit your comments?
> Yes.  It encourages me to think before sending.
> R's,
> John
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