[cryptography] Is the NSA now a civilian intelligence agency? (Was: Re: Snowden: Fabricating Digital Keys?)

James A. Donald jamesd at echeque.com
Mon Jul 1 19:33:58 EDT 2013

On 2013-07-02 8:47 AM, Nico Williams wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> And when LEA
>>> get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no officers
>>> go to prison, for example).
>> It is often in the interest/whim of the executive to decline to
>> prosecute its own,
>> even if only to save embarassment, so many of these cases will never see a jury.
>> That's why you need citizen prosecutors who can bring cases before both grand
>> and final jury. For example, how many times have you seen a LE vehicle failing
>> to signal, speeding/reckless, with broken running lights, etc... now
>> try to criminally
>> (not administratively) prosecute that just as you might be prosecuted for same.
> I'd love to see proposals for how to criminal prosecutions by the
> public would work.

Until 1930 or so, in California, pretty much all criminal prosecutions 
were by the public.  I would suppose the laws are still in place, just 
not applied.

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