[cryptography] Is the NSA now a civilian intelligence agency? (Was: Re: Snowden: Fabricating Digital Keys?)

mtm marctmiller at gmail.com
Mon Jul 1 20:33:53 EDT 2013


as a spartan of sorts, and one thats shared laphroig with both a plank
member of the nsa and the creator of fbi's hrt, id like to say these fellas
are decent men and not petty.
On Jul 2, 2013 12:55 AM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Nico Williams <nico at cryptonector.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> And when LEA
> >>> get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no officers
> >>> go to prison, for example).
> >>
> >> It is often in the interest/whim of the executive to decline to
> >> prosecute its own,
> >> even if only to save embarassment, so many of these cases will never
> see a jury.
> >> That's why you need citizen prosecutors who can bring cases before both
> grand
> >> and final jury. For example, how many times have you seen a LE vehicle
> failing
> >> to signal, speeding/reckless, with broken running lights, etc... now
> >> try to criminally
> >> (not administratively) prosecute that just as you might be prosecuted
> for same.
> >
> > I'd love to see proposals for how to criminal prosecutions by the
> > public would work.
> Sparta, one of the first democracies, would put the public officials
> on trial at the end of their term. It was part of the process.
>
> I imagine their Spartan was sufficiently different so that folks like
> Ted Kennedy (liar, cheat, murderer) would not have been able to serve
> the class.
>
> Sorry for the OT chatter.
>
> Jeff
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