[cryptography] Is the NSA now a civilian intelligence agency? (Was: Re: Snowden: Fabricating Digital Keys?)

Jeffrey Walton noloader at gmail.com
Mon Jul 1 20:42:30 EDT 2013


On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM, mtm <marctmiller at gmail.com> wrote:
> as a spartan of sorts, and one thats shared laphroig with both a plank
> member of the nsa and the creator of fbi's hrt, id like to say these fellas
> are decent men and not petty.
Then they would have nothing to fear if put on trial for potential
crimes they've committed.

(At least, that's what they tell us - if you don't do anything wrong,
then you don't have anything to worry about).

> On Jul 2, 2013 12:55 AM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Nico Williams <nico at cryptonector.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> And when LEA
>> >>> get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no officers
>> >>> go to prison, for example).
>> >>
>> >> It is often in the interest/whim of the executive to decline to
>> >> prosecute its own,
>> >> even if only to save embarassment, so many of these cases will never
>> >> see a jury.
>> >> That's why you need citizen prosecutors who can bring cases before both
>> >> grand
>> >> and final jury. For example, how many times have you seen a LE vehicle
>> >> failing
>> >> to signal, speeding/reckless, with broken running lights, etc... now
>> >> try to criminally
>> >> (not administratively) prosecute that just as you might be prosecuted
>> >> for same.
>> >
>> > I'd love to see proposals for how to criminal prosecutions by the
>> > public would work.
>> Sparta, one of the first democracies, would put the public officials
>> on trial at the end of their term. It was part of the process.
>>
>> I imagine their Spartan was sufficiently different so that folks like
>> Ted Kennedy (liar, cheat, murderer) would not have been able to serve
>> the class.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT chatter.


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