[cryptography] Is the NSA now a civilian intelligence agency? (Was: Re: Snowden: Fabricating Digital Keys?)

mtm marctmiller at gmail.com
Mon Jul 1 21:26:48 EDT 2013


enlisted guys and trigger job attys arent worried about being put on
trial...as much as it pains me to say it.. if youre doing nothing wrong..
On Jul 2, 2013 1:42 AM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM, mtm <marctmiller at gmail.com> wrote:
> > as a spartan of sorts, and one thats shared laphroig with both a plank
> > member of the nsa and the creator of fbi's hrt, id like to say these
> fellas
> > are decent men and not petty.
> Then they would have nothing to fear if put on trial for potential
> crimes they've committed.
>
> (At least, that's what they tell us - if you don't do anything wrong,
> then you don't have anything to worry about).
>
> > On Jul 2, 2013 12:55 AM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Nico Williams <nico at cryptonector.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> And when LEA
> >> >>> get caught doing this nothing terribly bad happens to LEA (no
> officers
> >> >>> go to prison, for example).
> >> >>
> >> >> It is often in the interest/whim of the executive to decline to
> >> >> prosecute its own,
> >> >> even if only to save embarassment, so many of these cases will never
> >> >> see a jury.
> >> >> That's why you need citizen prosecutors who can bring cases before
> both
> >> >> grand
> >> >> and final jury. For example, how many times have you seen a LE
> vehicle
> >> >> failing
> >> >> to signal, speeding/reckless, with broken running lights, etc... now
> >> >> try to criminally
> >> >> (not administratively) prosecute that just as you might be prosecuted
> >> >> for same.
> >> >
> >> > I'd love to see proposals for how to criminal prosecutions by the
> >> > public would work.
> >> Sparta, one of the first democracies, would put the public officials
> >> on trial at the end of their term. It was part of the process.
> >>
> >> I imagine their Spartan was sufficiently different so that folks like
> >> Ted Kennedy (liar, cheat, murderer) would not have been able to serve
> >> the class.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT chatter.
>
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