[cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

Givon Zirkind givonne at gmx.com
Tue Nov 17 13:39:47 EST 2015

imho, the crypto involved is not the issue.  not having boots on the 
ground, good intel, good spies who can walk and talk like the enemy, is 
the real issue.  there was no crypto in the false i.d. papers used to 
gain entry.  there is no crypto in exploiting the humanitarian aid being 
given to syrian refugees.  these people operate in unconnected cells.  
how much communication can there be; once an idea is hatched; a plan 
formed and; put into motion--from a few secret meetings.  esp. since 
they know enough to have to maintain radio silence.

On 11/17/2015 12:38 PM, Justin F wrote:
>> "This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported,
>> unsacrelized, unheroricized, unencrypted)."
> It's actually amazing, if you have a story and documentation and its a
> bombshell to a point that it makes you question the accuracy due to
> your own belief structure (id est FOIA responses are required to be
> truthful, courts are always impartial, etc); the biggest problem is
> actually finding someone whom is willing to look up from their smart
> phone long enough to listen to a non-trivial story.
> What an incredibly indifferent society we've become.
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
>> Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from CIA Director's full speech
>> and broader critique. CIA version omits Q&A.
>> http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf
>> To be sure, commentators must promote their products to flatter their
>> consumers as do spies, officials and
>> armaments (crypto) producers.
>> Officials buy the armaments to gain votes and post-service directorships,
>> word artists blow wind to fan the flames.
>> "This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a few of
>> which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported, unsacrelized,
>> unheroricized, unencrypted).
>> Hard to tell the difference between opportunistic warmongerers or
>> anti-warmongerers, so ying and yang in complicity.
>> At 10:03 AM 11/17/2015, you wrote:
>> 1. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html
>> 2.
>> https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/
>> <<As Paris reels from terrorist attacks that have claimed at least 128
>> lives, fierce blame for the carnage is being directed toward American
>> whistleblower Edward Snowden and the spread of strong encryption catalyzed
>> by his actions. Now the Paris attacks are being used an excuse to demand
>> back doors>>
>> <<how can “officials†and their media stenographers persist in trying to
>> convince people of such a blatant, easily disproven falsehood: namely, that
>> Terrorists learned to hide their communications from Snowden’s
>> revelations? They do it because of how many benefits there are from
>> swindling people to believe this. To begin with, U.S officials are eager
>> here to demonize far more than just Snowden
>> They want to demonize encryption generally as well as any companies that
>> offer it. Indeed, as these media accounts show, they’ve been trying for
>> two decades to equate the use of encryption — anything that keeps them out
>> of people’s private onlinee communications — with aiding and abetting The
>> Terrorists>>
>> <<Above all, there’s the desperation to prevent people from asking how and
>> why ISIS was able to spring up seemingly out of nowhere and be so powerful,
>> able to blow up a Russian passenger plane, a market in Beirut, and the
>> streets of Paris in a single week. That’s the one question Western
>> officials are most desperate not to be asked, so directing people’s ire to
>> Edward Snowden and strong encryption is beneficial in the extreme>>
>> <<There’s the related question of how ISIS has become so well-armed and
>> powerful. There are many causes, but a leading one is the role played by the
>> U.S. and its “allies in the region†(i.e., Gulf tyrannies) in arming
>> them>>
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