[cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

Ted W. ted-lists at xy0.org
Wed Nov 18 20:51:00 EST 2015


And yet, we find that the Paris attackers did not communicate via
encrypted channels for most of their planning. Surprise surprise:

http://bit.ly/1WZFM9H
(https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151118/08474732854/after-endless-demonization-encryption-police-find-paris-attackers-coordinated-via-unencrypted-sms.shtml)

On 11/17/2015 01:39 PM, Givon Zirkind wrote:
> imho, the crypto involved is not the issue.  not having boots on the
> ground, good intel, good spies who can walk and talk like the enemy, is
> the real issue.  there was no crypto in the false i.d. papers used to
> gain entry.  there is no crypto in exploiting the humanitarian aid being
> given to syrian refugees.  these people operate in unconnected cells. 
> how much communication can there be; once an idea is hatched; a plan
> formed and; put into motion--from a few secret meetings.  esp. since
> they know enough to have to maintain radio silence.
> 
> On 11/17/2015 12:38 PM, Justin F wrote:
>>> "This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a
>>> few of which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported,
>>> unsacrelized, unheroricized, unencrypted)."
>> It's actually amazing, if you have a story and documentation and its a
>> bombshell to a point that it makes you question the accuracy due to
>> your own belief structure (id est FOIA responses are required to be
>> truthful, courts are always impartial, etc); the biggest problem is
>> actually finding someone whom is willing to look up from their smart
>> phone long enough to listen to a non-trivial story.
>>
>> What an incredibly indifferent society we've become.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
>>> Wheedling about crypto and Snowden diverts from CIA Director's full
>>> speech
>>> and broader critique. CIA version omits Q&A.
>>>
>>> http://csis.org/files/attachments/151116_GSF_OpeningSession.pdf
>>>
>>> To be sure, commentators must promote their products to flatter their
>>> consumers as do spies, officials and
>>> armaments (crypto) producers.
>>>
>>> Officials buy the armaments to gain votes and post-service
>>> directorships,
>>> word artists blow wind to fan the flames.
>>>
>>> "This Is War!" Perfect for all consumers except the slaughtered, a
>>> few of
>>> which get ritual mourning (most ignored, unreported, unsacrelized,
>>> unheroricized, unencrypted).
>>>
>>> Hard to tell the difference between opportunistic warmongerers or
>>> anti-warmongerers, so ying and yang in complicity.
>>>
>>> At 10:03 AM 11/17/2015, you wrote:
>>>
>>> 1. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/paris_attacks_b.html
>>> 2.
>>> https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/
>>>
>>>
>>> <<As Paris reels from terrorist attacks that have claimed at least 128
>>> lives, fierce blame for the carnage is being directed toward American
>>> whistleblower Edward Snowden and the spread of strong encryption
>>> catalyzed
>>> by his actions. Now the Paris attacks are being used an excuse to demand
>>> back doors>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <<how can “officials†and their media stenographers persist in
>>> trying to
>>> convince people of such a blatant, easily disproven falsehood:
>>> namely, that
>>> Terrorists learned to hide their communications from Snowden’s
>>> revelations? They do it because of how many benefits there are from
>>> swindling people to believe this. To begin with, U.S officials are eager
>>> here to demonize far more than just Snowden
>>> They want to demonize encryption generally as well as any companies that
>>> offer it. Indeed, as these media accounts show, they’ve been trying
>>> for
>>> two decades to equate the use of encryption — anything that keeps
>>> them out
>>> of people’s private onlinee communications — with aiding and
>>> abetting The
>>> Terrorists>>
>>>
>>> <<Above all, there’s the desperation to prevent people from asking
>>> how and
>>> why ISIS was able to spring up seemingly out of nowhere and be so
>>> powerful,
>>> able to blow up a Russian passenger plane, a market in Beirut, and the
>>> streets of Paris in a single week. That’s the one question Western
>>> officials are most desperate not to be asked, so directing people’s
>>> ire to
>>> Edward Snowden and strong encryption is beneficial in the extreme>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <<There’s the related question of how ISIS has become so well-armed
>>> and
>>> powerful. There are many causes, but a leading one is the role played
>>> by the
>>> U.S. and its “allies in the region†(i.e., Gulf tyrannies) in arming
>>> them>>
>>>
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