[cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

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Summarizing, John Young says crypto has served bad motives and is engaged commerce for money. Since crypto can be sold to governments (those who don’t employ the majority of top mathematicians, I assume), it is oppressive and some people make money selling it. 

I doubt there is a prison, spy headquarters, or torture chamber in the world that did not begin with the pencil of an architect. For money. What shall we do about architects?

I think it may have been Phil Zimmermann who pointed out that the most elaborate and expensive of homes spend only a pittance on the door locks. If crypto is the path to commercial riches, it would come as a surprise to the capitalists on Sand Hill Road.

Ed Stone

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 8:21 PM, cryptography-request at randombit.net wrote:
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:04:05 -0500
> From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
> To: cryptography at randombit.net
> Subject: Re: [cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong
> 	Cryptography and Edward Snowden
> Message-ID: <E1ZzNwV-0001YD-KW at elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> At 01:21 AM 11/19/2015, you wrote:
>> how did hominids manage prior to crypto?
> Pretty much the way most hominids do today. And will continue
> to do the same way until crypto becomes normalized (if ever)
> and less esoteric, cultish, obnoxious, condescending, vain,
> whiney, excuse making. And above all these negative traits,
> eager to sell products to authoritarians, governments, cults,
> criminals, oligarchs, banks, gamblers, drug dealers, yadda.
> Plenty of ways to avoid crypto as it has existed for its
> very long history of serving the most evil, treacherous,
> manipulative, deceptive, cheating, lying hominids on
> earth and interstellar.
> Crypto has a wretched history of helping a few harm millions.
> Maybe it will change, but there has been a counter authority
> of violence effort for only a couple of decades, and during
> those decades the common practice of secretkeeping, lying
> and cheating for crypto money making has grown even among
> those loudly proclaiming the public benefits. PKC has indeed
> enriched some, and others striving to get on that evil-doing
> train of dual-hats and dual-use and dual-pontification.
> As the NY Times said of John Brennan, hard to believe anything
> crypto advocates have to say due to the far greater number of
> crypto sleazeball hominids reaping rewards of aiding governments
> than crypto hominid honorables aiding one another.
> Spies and cryptographers spread secrets pox. Stay far away for good
> health. Do not adopt that language everywhere.

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