[cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong Cryptography and Edward Snowden

Givon Zirkind givonne at gmx.com
Fri Nov 20 09:11:18 EST 2015

yeah, crypto is not the path to riches.

Brown, in his famous survey on maps said about alchemy, 'If one could 
figure out how to turn lead into gold, what would that achieve?  It 
would cheapen the price of gold.  Only a gov't / prince / king could use 
it.  If a commoner did it, he'd either be killed or kidnapped to do it 
for someone else.  So, why figure out how to turn lead into gold?'

I think in a certain measure, that applies to crypto too.  The best is 
in the hands of the gov't for a reason.  They need it.  If we never 
shared secrets, we would never have trust.  Society would break down.  
It is not cost effective for the average person, even in a lot of 
business situations.  And, if you make crypto that good, the gov't, your 
own or an enemy gov't or; the mob, will come after you to coerce you to 
work for them.  Money you will not make.

my 2c

don't remember Phil Zimmerman saying that.  not in his book on PGP for sure.

On 11/20/2015 7:42 AM, Notify wrote:
> Summarizing, John Young says crypto has served bad motives and is engaged commerce for money. Since crypto can be sold to governments (those who don’t employ the majority of top mathematicians, I assume), it is oppressive and some people make money selling it.
> I doubt there is a prison, spy headquarters, or torture chamber in the world that did not begin with the pencil of an architect. For money. What shall we do about architects?
> I think it may have been Phil Zimmermann who pointed out that the most elaborate and expensive of homes spend only a pittance on the door locks. If crypto is the path to commercial riches, it would come as a surprise to the capitalists on Sand Hill Road.
> Ed Stone
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 8:21 PM, cryptography-request at randombit.net wrote:
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:04:05 -0500
>> From: John Young <jya at pipeline.com>
>> To: cryptography at randombit.net
>> Subject: Re: [cryptography] Paris Attacks Blamed on Strong
>> 	Cryptography and Edward Snowden
>> Message-ID: <E1ZzNwV-0001YD-KW at elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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>> At 01:21 AM 11/19/2015, you wrote:
>>> how did hominids manage prior to crypto?
>> Pretty much the way most hominids do today. And will continue
>> to do the same way until crypto becomes normalized (if ever)
>> and less esoteric, cultish, obnoxious, condescending, vain,
>> whiney, excuse making. And above all these negative traits,
>> eager to sell products to authoritarians, governments, cults,
>> criminals, oligarchs, banks, gamblers, drug dealers, yadda.
>> Plenty of ways to avoid crypto as it has existed for its
>> very long history of serving the most evil, treacherous,
>> manipulative, deceptive, cheating, lying hominids on
>> earth and interstellar.
>> Crypto has a wretched history of helping a few harm millions.
>> Maybe it will change, but there has been a counter authority
>> of violence effort for only a couple of decades, and during
>> those decades the common practice of secretkeeping, lying
>> and cheating for crypto money making has grown even among
>> those loudly proclaiming the public benefits. PKC has indeed
>> enriched some, and others striving to get on that evil-doing
>> train of dual-hats and dual-use and dual-pontification.
>> As the NY Times said of John Brennan, hard to believe anything
>> crypto advocates have to say due to the far greater number of
>> crypto sleazeball hominids reaping rewards of aiding governments
>> than crypto hominid honorables aiding one another.
>> Spies and cryptographers spread secrets pox. Stay far away for good
>> health. Do not adopt that language everywhere.
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